Episode Summary
I had the pleasure of welcoming Pat De Brún, Amnesty International’s Head of Big Tech Accountability and Deputy Director of Amnesty’s Technology and Human Rights Programme.
We discussed the complex relationship between today’s AI-driven algorithms, human rights, and the role of big tech companies in influencing geopolitics.
Pat shared insights into Amnesty’s commitment to impartiality and independence, emphasising their reliance on international human rights law to guide their research and advocacy.
We discussed the organisation’s decade-long focus on technology’s impact on human rights, highlighting their work on spyware and big tech accountability. Pat elaborated on the challenges posed by the business models of major tech companies, such as Meta and Google, which prioritise engagement and data collection over privacy and human rights.
This model, often termed “surveillance capitalism,” has led to significant societal issues, including misinformation, incitement to violence, and mental health problems.
We explored the need for regulatory changes to address these systemic issues, emphasising that the problem lies not with the technology itself but with the exploitative practices behind it.
The conversation also touched on the role of social media in recent far-right riots in the UK, where misinformation spread rapidly, fueled by platforms like X. Pat explained how design choices and policy changes under Elon Musk’s leadership contributed to the amplification of harmful content. But this issue is not exclusive to X.
Join the conversation now to understand how widespread this problem has become and its implications on your life, work and business decisions.
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Key Takeaways
- 00:00:00 – Preview
- 00:03:50 – Amnesty International’s strict independence and history
- 00:07:48 – Amnesty’s Tech key investigation priorities for the past decade
- 00:11:38 – Modern tech’s aggressive data grab impact on human rights
- 00:18:37 – How governments of all parties failed to protect us from big tech
- 00:24:01 – How can the general public pressure governments to force change
- 00:28:05 – Tech is not the problem. It’s the shareholders!
- 00:32:14 – Why are political leaders of all parties still blindsided by technology?
- 00:41:17 – The role Elon Musk’s X (Twitter) played in inciting the 2024 UK riots
- 00:47:44 – Do negative behaviours on social media constitute free speech?
- 00:54:59 – Can users get prosecuted for spreading dangerous content on social media?
- 00:57:27 – Is this an exclusively X/Twitter problem, or is this a wider social media problem?
- 01:02:48 – Mainstream media’s failure in fully scrutinising tech’s accountability
- 01:12:47 – Pat’s remarkable journey that led him to his current leadership at Amnesty
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References and Citations
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Amnesty International revealed how X created a ‘staggering amplification of hate’ during the 2024 riots – CEOR
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Southport riots: why social media’s role in unrest is overblown – The Conversation
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UK: Government must address ‘root cause of racism that plagues our society’ – Amnesty International UK
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AI tools may soon manipulate people’s online decision-making, say researchers – The Guardian
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Frustrated with today’s ‘attention economy’? You’re really going to hate what comes next – Fast Company
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The Elite College Students Who Can’t Read Books – The Atlantic
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AI hallucinations are getting worse – and they’re here to stay – New Scientist
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Horror at Liverpool victory parade as car smashes through packed crowds – Suspect quickly identified as a white, local resident – BBC News (YouTube)
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Family of Southport stabbing victim criticise plan to reveal ethnicity of suspects – The Guardian
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Oklahoma high schools to teach 2020 election conspiracy theories as fact – The Guardian
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AI-generated ‘slop’ is slowly killing the internet, so why is nobody trying to stop it? – The Guardian
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Emma Monk: Migration stats are all wrong! – CEOR
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Sara Grimes: How Tech and AI Ignore Children’s Rights
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The Future of AI Under Trump and Project 2025
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The End of AI Utopia Thanks to Dumb Politics
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Generative AI is Damaging Children’s Mental Health and Safety in the Age of “Brain Rot”
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Why 2025 Is The Era of Internet of Sh*t (IoS)
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“Brain rot” is the 2024 Word of the Year — why is this bad news?
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Forget the attention economy. Prepare for the intention economy – Fast Company